Clownworld News (March 2019)

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Entertainer R. Kelly is now in the Cook County Jail, not for robbing, raping or killing, but merely because he couldn’t give his bitch ex-wife enough of his dough.

I thought we had a revolution over all this debtor’s prison nonsense. The question remains, what has his bitch done to deserve a hundred sixty large?

From CNN (no link, because they suck)

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It must be nice to be a uterus-american, where one can get paid just for breathing.

Here’s another great story. Did you boys hear about this guy?

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As we recently saw, Johnny Depp got hit with a false accusation of violent assault. For some reason, Shawn thought he wouldn’t get the same treatment. You boys really need to be smarter than this. Document all your interactions with skanks. Failure to be vigilant may result in the destruction of your life.

Oh, and in case you were gonna hit the cinema this week, you know which movie not to see…

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And then there’s more warnings from those brothers who have gone before…

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It might seem rough, but I have no sympathy for Steve. Unless you work at a nightclub, you shouldn’t be chatting up bitches on company time. Just don’t go there.

There are other things you shouldn’t do. Buying a bitch dinner is benevolent sexism. Spending money on a wimminz is the equivalent of raping that woman. Just ask your local bulldyke professor in the gender studies department. She’ll back my play on this.

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Boys in this post code don’t feel sorry for that simp, either. He got what he deserved.

Remember, be the guy who eats for free. Don’t be the guy who buys the meal.

Author: Boxer

Sinister All-Male Dancer. Secret King of all Gamma Males. Member of Frankfurt School. Your Fave Contrarian!

42 thoughts on “Clownworld News (March 2019)”

  1. It’s really hard to read this without coming up with a profound hatred of women…I’m trying my best not to see all women as evil but this shit keeps happening
    What kind of a cunt let’s a nice guy buy her dinner, snobs her nose up at sex only to give the best sex ever to some bad boy thug who didn’t do squat for her straight afterwards

  2. Dear Captain Mabel Fist Unicorn,

    I thought “white men haters” like yourself were in fact the target audience. Why are they not welcome at cinemas showing #CaptainMarvel?

  3. Oh….it’s okay everybody…..not all women are like that…..just make sure you follow Dalrock and others advice for vetting out a proper woman before you even consider dating her…………it eliminates 99% of them???? …..No, no, no……women just want be “led” by a real man who just loves God…..but make sure to get her attention and build attraction and that you hit the gym at least three times a week…..women love muscles, they feel protected…..no, no, no…….women don’t focus on looks…….they look at the heart……and you have to be a leader among men….be that guy who leads the Bible study……you’ll get plenty of confidence doing that, and women just find that irresistable. If you can sing or play an instrument that is a huge key….women love guys that have talents. Make sure you have plenty of cool hobbies…because women want a well rounded guy who can challenge her. Women love that in men………..yes, the church is filled with skanks, and born again virgins………but never, never date a single mom……..go for the 18 year old that is going to college, she has to have a low N count………but if you are too old for her, go to another church…..but remember too that God brings people together, you can’t be a creep and go to church and look for a wife………church is for the worship of God. Make sure you have a perfect personality. Women lovew men that are funny, and outgoing. Always remember, our respect and worship of God is a serious, serious thing. You can’t be too spirtual, that is a turn-off……if you are a man above thirty, its not a problem to get a younger woman….women love mature guys. Make sure before you ask her on a date you have met her mother and father several times…if she comes from a single parent household….stay clear of her…………..just ask them out, even the ugly ones……..and don’t ever have premartial sex because if you do, God will hate you, and that’s a sin….but if she’s hot and she’s throwing herself at you….it’s okay because she finds you hot because you are such a confident, able, muscled, leader…..it’s okay. Remember though, women don’t focus on looks, they just want a guy with a great personality who loves Jesus……….so remember, if you are a man over 40 and still a virgin, you’re a loser in church and you should have done exactly like these know-it-alls said and you will have to settle, but did you know that “God has this amazing plan for you life if you just obey him?” and “There is no marriage in heaven” so be content, don’t have sex that is for married people and the endeared people in church, including the ones who are married…….because we all know the married guys are constantly beating off all the single women who wish they could be with that guy……and make sure you keep amazing frame at all times, or your saintly wife that you found out of a billion who were good is gonna try to rule over you, and make you a chump if you don’t have real masculinity at all times…..

    Confused yet. That’s just for starters in the Christian man-o-sphere and these guys all wonder why men don’t come, don’t want and really don’t need church or the American Jesus.

    So…these stories…you know………are not real, if the guy just vetted, dated and married a good christian girl who wanted to be led none of this would have happened. But if you are one of the now majority of single Christian men under 40, you deserve to be single, and you’re not a real man

  4. The above comments I have compiled from my years in the Christian man-o-sphere.

    Off to the eye doctor, perscription is getting stronger….nearsightedness greater…..lenses thicker. Another strike on me, but I am sure if I just got that laser surgurey, and didn’t have to wear glasses, women would find my blue eyes irresistable and date me……..but it’s not about looks…..women don’t care about that, but I guess I should hit the gym and bench…….bc one man in the sphere advised all his reader he would not give advice unless you could bench a certain mammount, otherwise you were wasting his time…..but women don’t focus on looks. 😉

  5. seventiesjason,

    ‘…women just want be “led” by a real man who just loves God…..

    ‘……women don’t focus on looks…….they look at the heart……

    ‘Remember though, women don’t focus on looks, they just want a guy with a great personality who loves Jesus……

    ‘you will have to settle, but did you know that “God has this amazing plan for you life if you just obey him?

    ‘Confused yet. That’s just for starters in the Christian man-o-sphere …’

    I’m confused, especially regarding the above quotes, because I do not consider them to be representative of the Christian manosphere. Sure, you might find comments like them on Dalrock or similar, but I think you would find that the author is exhibiting blue pill thinking, not red pill.

    Knowing you seem to dislike terms such as blue pill and red pill, I bring Aaron Renn to your attention. He has worked in the New York-Washington area for many years and, in my opinion, is quite intelligent and articulate. I believe he is in his 40s and recently married for the first time, so I think he has a good understanding of the difficulties of finding a good wife. I suggest that you might read some of his work, which is primarily a weekly newsletter called The Masculinist. I think it might give you a different perspective on issues of importance to you. For example, in The Masculinist #17: The Basis of Attraction, he writes:

    “I would submit to you that church leaders went wrong when then took what they wished were true, combined with a lesser extent with what God has told us to do, and presented it as if it were true when in fact it was not.”

    I posit that this behavior is equivalent to what is shown in the first set of quotes. I believe you might find Aaron’s writing to be helpful to you, and I ask you to look at it, ideally without any predisposition.

  6. Mountain Man sent me an email. Brief paragraph or two. I replied. Silence. Been about a week.

    If I don’t hear from him in another week, I’ll chalk it up to Christian “virtue signalling” and get ready for the doxxing or ammo to use against me if I ever blow my cool on Dalrock’s forum………I shouldn’t have agreed, but you know then it would be “someone offered help, and you didn’t take it, you don’t want to get well….we’re all Christians here, Dalrock and the folks here save lives everyday!!!!!!!!!”

    lose / lose for me.

    If I was only more arrogant or didn’t have a conscience I could really figure this out, be a total a-hole, get forgiven and maybe I would be considered one of the cool kids there.

    Meetup?

    Wine, drinking, Gay, empowering the sisterhood / goddess thing, brunch, drinking, sailing, wine, beer tasting, wine, broadway musicals in San Francisco, Democrat club, wine, brunch…..

    The outdoor club I looked into, activism only “standing up to bad, bad, bad, evil Trump and his hostile polices to the environment” and from the pics………rugged outdoor environmentalist types………I just want to hike and get to know people.

    Even wanting to volunteer at the Schulz Museum (huge Peanuts fan / Charlie Brown) “Ummm, are you a registered Democrat? We’re looking for people who can work together, not divide.”

    I am at the point where I just want God to “take me home” I can deal with work or being rich or poor. I don’t think I can endure much more of this.

  7. seventiesjason,

    For easy access to Aaron Renn’s other issues of The Masculinist (“The Masculinist is a monthly email newsletter for Christian men motivated by problems facing men and the church in our society, ….”), go to Masculinist.

  8. I’ll chalk it up to Christian “virtue signalling” and get ready for the doxxing or ammo to use against me if I ever blow my cool on Dalrock’s forum………

    If that happens, the perps will become a person of interest here in this post code. Always looking for new material, and all.

    Even wanting to volunteer at the Schulz Museum (huge Peanuts fan / Charlie Brown) “Ummm, are you a registered Democrat? We’re looking for people who can work together, not divide.”

    If ever I get this question, I’ll just make some comment about being an “independent” and start talking about some other shit. People who think there’s any significant difference between GOP/DEM are either stupid or deluded anyway.

    Don’t let ideology stand in the way of making meaningful social bonds with your neighbors, and doing fun things that you like. The hostility over mindless trivia is part of the endemic dysfunction of this society, and it’s something I’m trying to immunize the young brothers against.

  9. seventiesjason,

    For easy access to Aaron Renn’s other issues of The Masculinist (“The Masculinist is a monthly email newsletter for Christian men motivated by problems facing men and the church in our society, ….”), go to Masculinist.

    Re. Mountain Man, please send him another email and ask him to at least reply if he’s really serious. I know, he should have replied (I am disappointed and I am not excusing it), but the reality of making new friends is that you will probably have to be more proactive than you are comfortable with.

    Re. Meetup, these two groups in your area seem to be active with a focus on hiking (and I see no inclination toward “Wine, drinking, Gay,….”). Go Wild Hikers appears to do one hike each month. Wanderers has multiple events each month, mostly, if not entirely, hiking. Please contact one or both, or, better yet, go to one of their events and find out more.

    As last resorts, I also saw one mountain biking group which you might find enjoyable if you tried it, and the group Spirit of Adventure seems to be outside activities other than hiking, such as ice climbing.

  10. Not going mountain biking, and as for ice climbing……I would like to ask “where” in Sonoma County…….oh, it must be that they take trips to the Sierras, the outback in the Himalayas…..whatever. Not a danger junkie that way, and even if I was…….”more showing you up” than having fun.

    I have a ten-speed from LL Bean that gets me around town here and there. I won’t invest in a “mountain bike” unless I am going to use it, and honestly I wouldn’t.

    I met a guy at Acre Coffee Shop here (local chain) back in June, he liked to hike and we talked a lot a few times we bumped into each other. He’s about ten years younger than me, two kids……each with a different woman (how do people do this, and get this???) I wouldn’t mind hiking with a man like this, but everything he does is “timed” and “recorded” in some log, or web-page and he holds records, and not that I am against pushing myself on a hike here and there…….but I just don’t like everything being some sort of competition…….first thing he asked me about my Dardanelles hike was “From trailhead to summit, how long did it take you? I did it in 4 hours.”

    Am I supposed to give you a medal now? It took me most of the day because I rested. I found a spot that was just poetic, and inspiring on the trail……..threw the pack off and just took some time to enjoy it for what it was. Beautiful.

    Everything is a race. Everything is made to make me less of a man, or still “ummm, yeah…..not good enough” and I don’t know when this started in the culture…..but it seems to be really deep seated. Even in the Christian man-o-sphere…..you could have a ministry, and well, no matter what you did or are doing for the pure satisfaction of heart by serving Christ…..someone has done more, or if you just did it my way, or how his church did it….you would have had more results, you would have this…..you could’ve that……..

    Being a leader in todays world…secular or sacred in anything seems to be more talk, how popular you are, and just being a smug prick to put men like me down.

    I am at the point of “hey……why don’t you go after an equal in your skills, life and expertise instead of putting me down?”

    It’s easier to stay home and just read the Bible, or other activities than deal with this. When I was early in my recovery of drink and drugs……an impassioned young Salvationist preached from the floor during a Holiness meeting one Sunday. This was in Fresno……and he was from Scotland. He was traveling the USA and Canada, staying at Corps…..picking up day jobs to make his keep, and / or staying in the Corps for a few night before moving on.

    In a thick Scottish accent he implored that “The addict faces much today….he may want to be well…..but too many in our own Army….that God Himself raised up won’t let him…….we won’t give him a job. We won’t walk deeper. We’ll tell him that he just brought all this upon himself. We’ll give some encouraging words, and if he struggles…we’ll tell him he’s bitter and having a cry session. We will forget that a broken spirit is only for the dirty, the sinner, the lost instead of what we are charged with…to reclaim them for His use. We’ll have paperwork, forms, and guidelines…we’ll throw a workbook, or article at him and tell him to follow it, and this will help him. We’ll offer a prayer, pat him on the head and send him on his way….and when he fails or fall again??? We’ll tell him he wasn’t serious enough. We’ll throw him back into a very broken world expecting results from some good advice and trying to get him to accept Jesus. That’s our Christian, faith based rehab culture today…..and its failing…and we keep asking ourselves why, instead of us…..Salvationists who were indeed called to heal this world more concerned about our spot in the pew during Holiness, what’s for the pot luck and who got to sit in lead chair for trumpet, cornet, or flugal horn”

    .

  11. No…I am not going to be a “needy” guy in this concerning Mountain Man. He offered his friendship. He offered to be proactive, challenging and encouraging. I will with a content mind “try” to listen when he suggest, or purports an idea. I refuse to bother him for friendship, and make myself needy or dire need of advice….he wanted this. He put it out in public. I don’t beg people to be my friend. He wanted to do this. I would love a friendship like he offered, and I am willing to reach out when I have to in these matters……..but he was the one who wanted this. My first reply was not some novel or essay. I gave him some basics. I gave him trust………….though “chump” is coming to mind again as I wait for a reply.

  12. Go Wild and Wanders are both closed or by “invite” only. All the other meetups are gay, drinking, female empowerment, activist…….

    OK. I know you are trying to help……but I am not going to meet like minded people through groups like this. I did it in Fresno (a much more conservative area) and the trips always filled up with the same ten people, and two that I went on. I was “forgotten” up in Kings Canyon, they had to turn around and come back for me…….and how dare “i” be annoyed that I was forgotten. The second trip was chatter, laughter with the regulars…..the newbie like me, who wasn’t hot was smiled at and ignored most of the day.

    I’ve been dancing a few times here to a soul cover band…..and it was fun, but I didn’t meet anyone. I went to The English Beat show, and was thrown out for “skanking” (go figure, a ska show and you can’t skank). I am the sore thumb, the fifth wheel, the one who got the fishing lines tangled or had the plant die the day before Arbor Day…..

    Look, I’ll either die in my sleep (praying for that) or after my UK trek, I’ll figure out “what” I am going to do. Move? Quit my job? Disappear? Really at a loss right now….and your advice is kind…….and I am not being a “jerk” to you but its really not helpful

  13. seventiesjason,

    I do hope you at least read one of The Masculinist newsletters. Yes, I am trying to help. More accurately at this point, I have tried to help. It seems I have failed. If you should decide you wish to contact me privately, message me or something at my blog.

  14. No…I am not going to be a “needy” guy in this concerning Mountain Man. He offered his friendship. He offered to be proactive, challenging and encouraging. I will with a content mind “try” to listen when he suggest, or purports an idea. I refuse to bother him for friendship, and make myself needy or dire need of advice….he wanted this. He put it out in public. I don’t beg people to be my friend. He wanted to do this. I would love a friendship like he offered, and I am willing to reach out when I have to in these matters……..but he was the one who wanted this. My first reply was not some novel or essay. I gave him some basics. I gave him trust………….though “chump” is coming to mind again as I wait for a reply.

    I’ve never thought of you as a chump.

    Bear in mind that a lot of us use throwaway email addresses, and some of us don’t even see new messages for days or weeks at a time. I am the worst in this regard. Forgive us our trespasses. It’s possible that Mountain Man might return your email at some point. I hope that you remain open to it, if a pal is what you want.

    On a more general note, I’d encourage young brothers to cultivate friendships with other men. The importance of a network can’t be emphasized enough. Note that wimminz and feminists often paint such friendships as quasi-homosexual or “creepy”, which ought to be the first clue in this post code of their importance.

    I know a number of young brothers who seem to have no male friends, and this is a shame. Personally, I have a grand total of zero female friends, and that’s the way I like it. What the fuck is some filthy wimminz going to do for me, anyway? Help me move house? Let me stay over when I’m in her ‘hood? Ask one of these dumb wimminz for a favor sometime, and see how fast they beat the arches out of earshot.

  15. Masculinist: #17 in applying his model “just be more confident” (posture, eye contact, speaking clearly will improve your situation leaps and bounds)

    I have excellent posture. I can speak in front of groups. I speak clearly.

    The large piece of ugly furniture in the middle of the room is never mentioned to men:

    YOU ARE UGLY

    The article talks about living in “moms basement” (and still never in my ten plus years of being a Christian have I never met a single man who lived at home in moms basement, was fat, and cheeto dust all over him who came to church as a member or attendee)

    It breaks things as Alpha / Beta and all the great and frankly “un Christian” behaviors are Alpha, while all the “beta” behaviors are Christian.

    So what are we to do? Again, “just be confident!” women love confidence, looks don’t matter to them…they told us so!

    I’ll stick to his writing about architecture and design (yes, I heard of him before, he wrote a few article for the Architectural journal I read in the 1990’s)

    Men like this…successful, good looking and alas…..better men than I….should stick to the things they know. He has some great takes on Urbanism…..but this male female thing “just be confident” still…….still excusing women because they can’t help who they are, and men having to rebuilt, and rebrand their whole life for maybe a date or two

  16. “Bear in mind that a lot of us use throwaway email addresses, and some of us don’t even see new messages for days or weeks at a time.”

    Then there are the aggressive spam filters eating legitimate emails.

  17. 70s Jason – i want to encourage you in your Christian walk bro. I’ve read bits and pieces of your witness on Dalrock, then noticed that you would post here from time to time.

    I know that youre gonna meet Opus in London over the summer. If you have a layover at either JFK or EWR, i’d welcome the opportunity to meet up with you in person for coffee, breakfast, lunch, dinner… whatever can be worked out.

    I can relate to alot of your criticisms of the christian manosphere. I still hit up Dalrocks (and like OKR, i also like Aaron Renn) but i tend to ignore alot of the comments. Especially from the showboaters.

    Anyway, boxer has my permission to give you my email address if you want to set something up while youre passing through NYC.

    David

  18. Remember, be the guy who eats for free. Don’t be the guy who buys the meal.

    If ya boy Boxer is talking about this in the context of wimminz…it’s the choice between getting snared and being decieved. And in the current promiscous clownworld we are in…many people are experts at doing both.

    You probably know where I stand as to what the snare is (hint, illict sex)…as far as providing quite a bit for a woman you aren’t married to…well that’s what sometimes happens.

  19. I am not going to meet up with “Opus” he said he was interested months ago……and then everyone accused me of being “bitter” because they all gave me such great advice “go to a third world country” (by Dalrock himself) and I didn’t like that. I had earnestly asked a few questions and it was assumed I was being sarcastic. I tried to follow deep exegeis of Scripture when it was discussed and of course I was “wrong” and had to “study more” and “didn’t understand Greek or Hebrew”

    So, Opus….after being asked several times…just ignores me, the questions…..blow that. He could have been treated to a nice dinner, and night out on me….heck I might have even asked him to join me with Brit writer Peter Lloyd. His loss. Not mine. I am flying direct to London from San Francisco…..but if I am ever back in my native Upstate again, and if I am still alive…….would love meeting up.

    None of the Disciples were giants intellectually…..none spent time in the Temple under tutelege under the great Rabbis of the time………and if Christ wanted such intellect, why were the teachers, and great Rabbis called? I am ready to leave the faith, not The Way. Modern Christianity is a private club now for women, super-intellectual men, married men, and chest thumpers who always behave one way, and then get all “holy” on you about “love and encouragement” depending on the conversation.

    I mentioned this offhand, and was told “if you can’t follow the conversation / discussion, there is no reason for you to be involved in it”

    So much for “equipping” and “encouraging men” and they don’t realize that the world of men are much more like me than them……but so what……..they’re all on a hot roll to sit on Christ’s left or right side………..and I am really begining to reconsider if I would want to be in Eternity with these people for eternity. Most of them…..heck all of them……despite me making into the Kingdom (God willing)…..they would still find a way to tell me I didn’t make it in as well as they did. These men are the kind of men that if they were stranded on a desert island, and you rowed up and said “Hey, come on get in….I’ll take you back to the ship over there!” They would ask and demand to know “who was on the ship and if they were as cool as they were”

    I am a man of simple faith. I cannot spend and waste time debating what the word “is” means in what context of what Scripture by what translation and if it was Greek, done by this scribe or that scribe from which council. I cannot grasp why someone would pray and worship Mary. I don’t understand incense and praying and bowing to “icons” and nowhere did Christ while on the Cross say “stop…wait….wait……this thief who hangs next to me Believes! Okay, ummm, we gotta take him down from this cross, get him baptized, have the Holy Supper….recite some Liturgical text, say the sinner prayer in the Scriptures, and THEN and ONLY THEN will He be ready to enter Paradise.”

    No. Ten thousand times NO! We’re so caught up about who is less feminist or unchivarlous or has more Game, what Rollo’s book says on footnote / appendix 55 on paghe iiv than dropping our work, our cloak, or whole past and just following Him. Oneying Him and striving to Eternity.

    I am so alone. I have no one to talk to….and I will stop myself before I get all “weepy” and “sad” but if this………what I mentioned above is “Christian Manhood” and “Godly”

    I don’t want ANY part of it, and if I have to do this to get one IOTA of attention from a supposed Christian female………you all can have it. I don’t want it. She isn’t worth it……and the endless talk, debates, knitpicking of minor details in Scripture of “what God, or Jesus, or Paul REALLY meant” is a waste of time to men……they don’t have time to waste on something that was supposed to be simple “Come…..follow me!” Something that was suposed to be for the world. Not just the “elect twenty or so in a forum”

    The body cannot be all “amazing leaders” floors will have to get mopped, the homeless fed, the sick healed, the handicapped and mentally reatrded cared for…………and that is not “womens work” it is a requirement of all who are going to BE in a body. The Body wants only cold callous, self-righteous men and then an indignant “waiting” attitude for someone to actually DO the work in the Body.

    I was a chump in church for a LONG time. I did a ton of groundwork and footwork while most were having what you call a “real Christian life” with dating, marrying and fathering children…..now, they thumb their noses and attitude at a nobody like me, get upset at a nobody like me and get self righteous about how simple it is to just “pluck” a virginal, saintly woman like “they” did be married……..

    All the advice is horrible. It’s either Game, red pill / blue pill alpha, beta, deltoid, gamma, sigma, purple pill or it’s “God has a plan” or “But….but……there is no marriage in heaven! Jesus loves you!”

    If any of them were in my oiled doc martens for a week…..so of the most macho guys there would be wailing louder than I demanding “something” be done!!!!!!!!!

  20. Document all your interactions with skanks. Failure to be vigilant may result in the destruction of your life.

    Excellent advice…you can’t avoid all of them so public spaces, cameras, text documentation, anything you can do to not be alone with them is important.

  21. @Jason

    “I am a man of simple faith. I cannot spend and waste time debating what the word “is” means in what context of what Scripture by what translation and if it was Greek, done by this scribe or that scribe from which council.”

    I do Biblical grammar studies, literally debating the use of the copula. I have the God-given skills to do so, so I do it. But I understand the limitations of scholarly work. Keeping everything in proper perspective, I don’t get all that upset about different viewpoints (i.e. heresy).

    Fundamentally, faith should be simple, like that of a child. Like you, I do not comprehend Mariology. But I’ll still treat Brother Earl with love as a fellow child of God and brother in Christ. Understanding his viewpoint is not a prerequisite for simple faith.

    “…the endless talk, debates, knitpicking of minor details in Scripture of “what God, or Jesus, or Paul REALLY meant” is a waste of time to men…”

    I find your spiritual insights to be quite valuable. I only ask that you do not disparage some of the lesser contributions that we intellectuals make. Not all of us think we are the most amazing thing to come to the world.

    “…but if I am ever back in my native Upstate again, and if I am still alive…”

    If you ever happen to fly into PHL and are interested in meeting, my contact information is on the landing page of my website.

  22. Problem is Derek, the intellectuals don’t want ME around….and I am not disapraging Earl. I don’t recall mentioning his name. I just don’t get where Christ told us to burn incense, bow to painted Icons from Greece of “the saints” (and they are all just men) statues of Mary in front of more than a few churches……. a

    I don’t disparage intellect, and even the dumb guys like me need to strive, and grow in the faith…and learn. There is nothing wrong, or bad about that.

    I just believe its the only thing, or even the most important thing. If I have to know Greek, or pray to St. Joesphus of Crete in order to get favor with God………well, God should have put that in the Word. Mary should be revered. I don’t have a problem with that……..tradition is important, but I don’t like being lectured to that somehow me striving to Christ is not as worthy as some Monk at the Council of Trent who made the tie breaking vote for this book or that book, or what this or that word meant………

    Men who need Christ….like most of this country………you are going to lose with Apologetics. They need to be convinced of a Savior and that they need Him…not what II Corinthians 5 v 2 “really” means. If that is indeed the case, the Bible and our faith is indeed only for the super smart

  23. “Problem is Derek, the intellectuals don’t want ME around”

    That is true loss. I have the spiritual gift of teaching, which is about the best an intellectual can hope for. I do not have the higher calling of apostle or prophet. You, I believe, must have the gift of prophecy. Your prayer life is vibrant and your faith strong: thus you receive spiritual revelation that most do not.

    “I am not disparaging Earl”

    No, I’m the one who is more likely to be guilty of that.

    “…you are going to lose with Apologetics”

    Yes I agree. Blogging is something on the side. Real life is where the impact happens.

    I do it because maybe one day deep in the future it helps one person. Or maybe it just helps me. That’s fine too. Consider what Jack said recently:

    “I use blogging mainly to record what I’ve learned in my personal life, to disseminate these ideas, and to get feedback from others on those ideas. In short, it’s about ideas, more than it is about me directing the lives of others, but I also recognize that ideas have a way of doing that.”

    This sounds about right.

  24. @Boxer

    This discussion with Jason has me thinking about your “Why Christianity?” post. The leaders of the Christian church are the apostles and the prophets. The teachers are subordinate in importance. These typically include pastors, persons like myself, and I suspect it would include you if you ever converted to Christianity. I suspect that most Christians you complain about are either teachers or none-of-the-above. The internet is full of such.

    Those with the gift of prophecy, like Jason and Ame, are to be looked up to and respected.

  25. @seventiesjason You are currently in a very negative headspace. Having lived there myself in the past, I can offer no advice on what to do to get out of it. Unless you’ve lived in the black noonecaresaboutmewhydontijustenditbutifidoillgotohellsoiguessilljustsithereandpondermyutterworthlessness phase on repeat like a new #1 single, you cannot really understand.

    As regards things to do, your writing was excellent, especially when describing nature or trips. You really are quite talented, and some of the writings about treks with your dad were better than stories I have read in NG. I would look into ghost writing or simply writing memoires and self publishing. If you ever do, I will be the first in line to buy (providing it is under $30).

    Also, you may like this youtube channel, very fun and interesting. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM-kjdrQge9AACfB3MSRyrg

  26. Yes, all those are mentions…..but Christ did not say…burn incense bow to an icon, and say the appropraite Liturgical text. I mean, burning a calf on the altar makes a pleasing smell to the Lord………are we doing that?

    And the Word says “saints” true….so who are they? There is no mention of St. David, the supposed patron Saint of Wales in the WOrd, nor is there a mention of Gudalupe, the Patron Saint of the Americas……….who decides who is a saint or not, and praying to one to get favor from God or Jesus, or angels? I am not praying to Mary, St. (insert any Greek / Slavic name) of this city or of this or that church………even the Orthodox have made Pilates wife a “saint”

    Who deemed this as such? Not Christ.

    Did Christ in His ministry tell us “and when you pray, make sure you have the icon of the saint, and say the approrpiate prayer.”

    No, he just lays it out in Matthew 6

    I never see Christ use the word Bishop, or Deacon and nor do I recall anywhere Him telling the Disciples on “how” to setup the church heirachy “You have the priest, then you have the choir, the praise leader, and this ministry, and the board…….who are holier and more set apart than the rest of the proles………….”

    Even in the Salvation Army……the uniform doesn’t make you set apart or “holy” or better than anyone else. It’s just an outward expression of an inward change. That’s it.

    Ordinary men who were full of prayer, expectation and the Holy Ghost took the Gospel and turned the world upside down…..how I want to be like them, and I would dare consider myself “lucky” to accomplish .0001% of what they did.

    Derek. My gift is helps, and no one in the church needs that. I am not confident in Christian walk, I am weak, in a bad way right now and I am terrible example of Christian. I don’t have prophecy. God has never told me anything. All Christ did to me that night on the Golden Gate Bridge was motion for me to “come to Him”

    No revelation. No speaking in tongues. Not suddenly becoming Paul. Not being anything great, or anything that mattered. He just wanted me to live. That was it.

    I have learned much over a decade……history of the Bible, learned about the culture of ancient Israel……….some basics, and I have a grasp…..but deep contexture is lost on me…….and I am noticing more and more in the Christian sphere…in order to be a “real mighty man of God” you have to be of this “elect”

    Frankly……..I even if I was, I would be very uncomfortable because I would be afraid of driving people away.

    Derek….I am poor excuse for a man and a Christian. Like I said, I can’t be angry at God…..I don’t want to kill myself despite the sleep full of razors and nightmare….I just want to “go home” I have been asking for a stroke, heart attack or cancer. My ministry does nothing. My gifts are useless in the Body, and my humility has made me hopelessly unattractive to even the ugliest (inside and out) of women.

    I am starved for human touch…….and the silence I endure some days is deafning. I am just in a bad way right now, and nobody gets it. I’m just bitter, I don’t trust God enough, I am not smart enough, or good looking enough, or amazing enough………and yet, I am supoosed to somehow “just be alpha” and its gonna be okay

  27. @ 70s Jason

    >>>>> I am starved for human touch…….and the silence I endure some days is deafning. I am just in a bad way right now, and nobody gets it. <<<<<

    Hey man – i have had ups and downs – i think what you have been going through since your dad's passing has made you more introspective, and it seems to me that you are keenly aware of your personal faults, and the places you come up short.

    Remember that our hope, as a Christian and disciple, is in Christ, and he is our only comfort in life and in death. That is not to say that everything automatically turns into shits and giggles, rainbows and unicorns. This is a fallen world. Yes, I believe Christ reigns, ever since his triumph over the grave, but we are kind of in an in between period, where not every nation and every people group has been brought to him to serve as a footstool under his feet.

    A lot of 'posers' like to get into deep theological arguments, or highly intellectual arguments, about the bible, women, the SMP and the MMP, and classfying masculine virtues and traits vs. feminine virtue and traits. A lot of the details fly over my head too. Frankly, one think we can all agree on is that this world is broken. But again, our hope is in Christ. An in the fullness of time, all things will be made right. We must carry our cross daily man.

    I guess i don't have a greater point, than a desire to reach out over the internet to tell you that I look up to you. You are a brother in Christ. I don't need to make you or anyone else feel bad so that i can feel good about myself. I have my own faults too, and my share of sins, but i take these to Christ. Too many folks out there are too obsessed with getting all of the intellectual framework right… and the saying i heard many years ago rings true – "they tend to be too heavenly minded to be any earthly good."

    Please keep fighting the good fight. It is not in vain that we work for our just and faithful Father in heaven.

    I know that the keeper of this blog is not a Christian, and doesn't really promote Christian values, but that is OK. There is an element of truth being spoken here, and this blog gives me a chance to "connect" with you.

    A friend in NYC.

    David
    (Boxer – thanks for letting me post on your site. If Jason asks, you can send him my email)

  28. Jason, I’ve been considering a paddleboarding and camping weekend at Bodega Bay or Point Reyes this year. If you’re interested then we could coordinate schedules.

  29. Yes, all those are mentions…..but Christ did not say…burn incense bow to an icon, and say the appropraite Liturgical text. I mean, burning a calf on the altar makes a pleasing smell to the Lord………are we doing that?

    So you do acknowledge the Word of God states these things. And what was the description of Christ first said by John?

  30. Boxer – thanks for letting me post on your site. If Jason asks, you can send him my email

    This site is the collective property of antifeminist men everywhere. I’m just the ‘umble curator. I shall connect you.

  31. Okay Earl…you’re right. We all should pray to Mary, we all should bow to icons, burn a bull on the altar, and just obey the leaders (priest / pastor) have a Rosary on hand, celebrate the ten trillion “feasts” and worship and PRAY to “saints” instead of Jesus…..have pictures of Icons in your house, but only on the “north walls” oh and have a Catholic or Orthodox priest do this for us…..since we are “incapeable” and on the Protestant side, just ‘accept Jesus” into your heart and “you’re going to heaven despite still living in sin, not repenting, or even strving to understand the Bible………….and Matthew 6 means nothing….Jesus didn’t really mean what He said……..let me guess……the actual Greek translation means something else……

    I am being a bit sarcastic here………but men are not going to “come” to Him with a trillion rules, morays, and taboos when the fact that Christ Himself didn’t make it that complicated. The Council of Trent, what this monk said, or this Saint said in 1130 matters more…………

    I am not making some “defense” of Protestantism……..don’t get me started on that…….but as a “Christian” who accepted Christ, striving to be of and like Him…..despite my situation of late………..I am finding out more and more that listening to Christ and what He said, and did….well, it really doesn’t matter to modern church heirachy and tradition…be it on the Catholic or Protestant side of the matter.

    Description of Christ first said by John. When? In Revelation? When He saw Him, John stated he fell to the ground and worshipped Him as if he were DEAD. Did he break out His Rosary? Light a candle? Hold his finger up like a good li’ Protestant and say “Lord, let me look at my notes and get back to you about what you really meant……you see I know Greek……..and I was taught that you were my ‘buddy’ and I said the sinners prayer when I was three”

    No. He did no such thing! This was the Disciple whom “Jesus loved” and even in his exile on that horrid rocky island, his faith, fear and love of Christ was solid to the end. If only 00000001% of modern men could be that. How did John perform the “holy supper” in exile without a priest? He obviously sinned because he “forsake the gathering” and missed church, Holy mass, and reading the Liturgical text while bowing to an icon………he must be hell right?

    Come on Earl. Most men throught history who broke bread, worked, loved their wives, served God and Believed and taught their children didn’t even have a Bible…..let alone could read……….and many of these forgotten men were probably standing more firm on His truth, and His way while we all debate about “what the saints said”

    I would prefer to take Christ over anyone…..

  32. I would prefer to take Christ over anyone…..

    If Christ brought you to God, how is it impossible that Mary brings other men to God?

    (serious question)

  33. The Lord said Himself Boxer that “I am the truth, the light, and the way….no one comes to the Father except through me”

    Now….if someone doesn’t believe that…well, that’s on them and another topic for discussion….but speaking about / with fellow Believers……..I don’t see how revering Mary, or praying to the “saints” or being baptised, or confession, or Holy Communion, asking for intercession. Praying to “angels” or attending church every Sunday will bring you to God. The Word even mentions Christ is greater than Moses, Abraham, and the angels……

    I don’t speak as myself being “holier” because at this moment, I am actually a bit unsure of my own personal Salvation.

    As for “my side of the divide” I know for a fact that Christ didn’t really speak about joining a “Bible believing church” nor did He worry about the “political situation” of His time. He didn’t “demand” to see Caesar and tell Him to “give my people tax breaks because they are just poor and humble” nor did He ever mention “Sunday School” and a “music ministry”

    He didn’t shout in thunderous tones “You Romans are pagans, and going to hell!” He was more concerned about the people “of his own” corrupt tradtion (a lesson for US ALL here………look, if we as the commoners tolerate a church that is corrupt, demonic, and teaches falsehoods…..and that is for all of them………well, we need to get out for our own protection or find ones that are not). He spoke more about the place of “gnashing teeth” than He did of the Kingdom.

    Problem in the modern western church…….and I don’t care if its Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox its so many made up rules and regulations by men and this is more important than actually getting our knees and earnestly praying for His provision. Two seconds won’t do it. Having a priest “do it for you” to my protestant sensibilities I just cannot grapple.

    This is not an attack on Christian Catholics or Orthodox. Father Garcia in Fresno IS a mighty man of prayer, and commitment to the Cross, his flock and His celibacy. Sister Lauren (a nun) in Fresno I have done extensive work with. Not “ministry” it was WORK. Ministry is a weak word for “look how great we are”

    This sister lived her faith by action for a better world. We never ONCE in all of our time in WORKING together did we ever discuss “religion” we both just knew something in the ‘hood needed to be done, and another Believer just felt the same way. I love her.

    Anyway…

  34. @Boxer:
    “…If Christ brought you to God, how is it impossible that Mary brings other men to God?”

    I would posit that, as 70s Jason quotes (from John 14:6), at root, we can only come to God through Christ. There might be secondary means, or outward means, that by His (God’s) grace are used to draw us near to him, but in the end it is the work of Christ. He knows his sheep and calls them by name (see John 10:14), and He (Christ) is the one that draws them near. Christ is the one at work, reconciling us (sinners) with God. He can use many different means, people, experiences, the natural order, but He is the one at work.

    I don’t think there is another way to square that circle… so there might be other men that say they have been brought to faith thru Mary (or thru Billy Graham, or thru cancer, really, anyone and anything) – and that can be true. Given my personality, i would not get into a dispute with them about their experience. I would simply hold that in the end, it is Christ that is ultimately at work in the salvation of men.

  35. “If Christ brought you to God, how is it impossible that Mary brings other men to God?”

    Jesus is unique in that he was raised from the dead and given his new body. He ascended into heaven and sits at God’s right hand. This is a Hebrew idiom (somewhat like headship) meaning that Jesus acts with God’s full authority and does his will. [Matthew 22:44; Acts 2:33,7:55-56; Romans 8:34; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 1:3, 8:1; 1 Peter 3:22]. As such, Jesus is the mediator between God and man [1 Timothy 2:5].

    What sets Jesus apart from Mary (and everyone else) is that we will not be raised to our new bodies until Jesus returns and the dead in Christ are raised [1 Corinthians 15:51-52] . When this happens, we will all be given the same power that Jesus has now [Revelation 3:21], but not before (notice the use of the idiom here).

    This is equivocation. Jesus is the only way to God. He stated, quite explicitly, that the only way to him was through the Spirit, which he would send after he was resurrected [John 14:15-31]. He is the only one with the power and authority to bridge the gap. People can bring the message and thus point others towards the way to Jesus: we are all priests [1 Peter 2:5]. The dead cannot assist in this process, as the dead do not speak to us and attempting to do so is detestable [Deuteronomy 18:10-12]. How would praying to the dead bring you to God? We can be led to God when other people interact with us, not when we pray to them. The whole question confuses intercession/mediation (when someone speaks on your behalf) with being a messenger.

    “so there might be other men that say they have been brought to faith thru Mary (or thru Billy Graham, or thru cancer, really, anyone and anything) – and that can be true.”

    I agree, but again this is equivocation. This is not merely being inspired by pillars of faith. The notion that Mary is the mediatrix, involving active intercession, is a decidedly non-biblical invention of the 5th century.

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