Getting Meta on Dalrock and Roissy

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Down below, someone writes…

By the way, Boxer, I’m sorry not to see your comments on Dalrock these days.

Then someone else writes…

The cognitive dissonance being shown by Dalrock is incredible to behold…..him and his right wing faggots who religiously follow him, moan and bitch about gynocracy, the evil nature of women, the nasty pitfalls of marriage, the gynocentric laws that protect women and destroy men, yet they then have the gall to preach that marriage is the best thing ever, that fornication is so wrong, that good men should get married and lead his wife blah blah blah

I generally don’t go where I’m not wanted; but, there’s another general issue that comment farms are prone to promoting, that I want to talk about.

Smart peeps like Fred Nitzke and Groucho Marx called the phenomenon ressentiment. It’s not resentment, but it’s close. It’s also not a specifically Marxist or Nietzschean term. I think Kierkegaard might have been the first guy to well-define it, but it’s a phenomenon as old as mankind.

Ressentiment is the special form of hatred which motivated Cane Caldo to chase that retired military officer around, like an obsessed wimminz, for years on end, nipping at his heels, until he finally left Dalrock. It’s rooted in a general envy, and Cane Caldo on Dalrock isn’t the only one who regularly displays it. (I only pick on him because he’s particularly mockable). It’s all over those comment sections.

What the Dalrock/Heartiste crowd doesn’t seem to understand is that us normals don’t want to hang out with folks who are stuck in this mindset. It’s incredibly negative. Ressentiment saps the will and weakens the body.

Recently, both Dalrock and Heartiste went suspiciously quiet. For a few hours, I wondered if WordPress was going Full Dorsey, and beginning to silence their controversial free accounts. When it happened, I received about two dozen new comment submissions in the span of a couple of days. I denied almost all of them, because they were bringing their Dalrockesque spew over here. A couple of normals got through (Hi Heidi!), but most of the newbies were losers, and they were consigned to the round file.

If my job entails chasing out all the negative creeps, then I suppose I’ll embrace it. I’d rather have no discussion than bad. More importantly, it’s become my job to cultivate a place where the best people can gather and be smart and funny, rather than to let the place be overrun by mediocre whiners.

In this post code, we hate feminists at least as much as Dalrock and Heartiste do, but we aren’t crying about it. We intend to laugh at our enemies in our spare time, while spending the bulk of our energy building our careers, getting married and/or not getting married, having sex or cultivating a thoughtful celibacy, raising families, building local community, and just becoming more well-rounded and better grounded people. The typical commenters on Dalrock and Heartiste can’t (won’t) do any of these things, because ressentiment is a trap which is all-consuming and all-encompassing.

Author: Boxer

Sinister All-Male Dancer. Secret King of all Gamma Males. Member of Frankfurt School. Your Fave Contrarian!

30 thoughts on “Getting Meta on Dalrock and Roissy”

  1. At the risk of being ridiculed (which I am willing to accept, it is your site after all) I tend to side with Dalrock more often than not, if only because marriage is right and acceptable to the Christian man. Is it a wise idea in this day and age? Well, that’s up to a man to decide for himself. There is much wisdom in “counting the cost” of anything we do, and, at the moment, the cost far outweighs the benefit for men who want to marry. This puts men into a bad position because we are genetically predisposed (most of us) to want to have sex and see offspring, but for the Christian the forum for both of these to take place is marriage. What Dalrock does, however, is point out the problem but not really offer solutions, of which there are few. The only true solution is for men to take back their right of rulership, but doing that would require the spilling of blood, I can almost assure it, and few are the men willing to have their blood spilt to right the West. Or maybe there are plenty of men willing, but few willing to get it started.

    Us Christians are particularly spineless at the moment since we have allowed the faith to be infiltrated and inundated with false teachings and strange doctrines, but few are the men who will step up and call their pastors out on it.

    As far as Heartiste goes, I’ve found some of his information to be useful at a psychological level. I mean, people react overwhelmingly the same given a certain stimuli, and knowing how to activate and respond to those reactions can give one an edge over others in business and other endeavors, and what is love and sex but the business of trade?

    Would I recommend marriage? Yeah, I would. I have two sons, I would definitely recommend marriage, but I would also recommend they cover their asses by using methods my dad never would have recommended to me. Keep a backup stash of cash off your books. Don’t let your wife go into the workforce if you can avoid it. Do not let her attend women’s bible studies. Make sure you have access to all of her social media accounts and electronic devices. Make sure she knows that she can be, and will be, easily replaced if she pulls any stupid crap, and that biblically he has full freedom to marry as many women as he see’s fit without risking his salvation, whereas she is bound to him for life. Even in this, though, its still a crapshoot and I would recommend they give some serious thought to what they are getting themselves in to if they decide to marry.

    I can’t blame Dalrock for wanting things to return to the way they are supposed to be, nor can I blame him for continuing to recommend marriage. Again, for the Christian it is a requirement for sex and children. For those who are not of the faith what does it matter, and what does it matter if Christians still engage in and promote marriage? Its not for lack of intelligence or masculinity, but because its a tenant of our faith. Are we foolish for that? The unbeliever would say so because to them we are just a bunch of wackos who follow a sky-man who says He loves us but lets bad things happen to us. To those of the faith, though, we see a world headed in a direction that has already been foretold, turning away from what is right and good and turning instead into what is wicked. That doesn’t change the faith nor the promises that come with it.

  2. It takes some cajones to stick with one’s guns at not acquiesce to commentary. Often times, readers will want the blog writer to adopt a different viewpoint. There is a “change your opinion or I’m taking my ball and leaving” kind of thing. As you pointed out, this trait is feminine in nature. A

    Better for the writer to speak the truth and let the chips fall where they may. History only remembers those who were married to the truth.

  3. I like Dalrock’s blog, but after all these years, it is still just a set of well articulated complaints. He illustrates the problems with our culture, government, religious leaders, etc, but provides no alternatives for individuals or the collective. It’s much easier to point out the flaws in what others say and do than to advance an ideal of your own.

    His blog is good, if limited. But because it’s ultimately just a series of greivences and gotchas, it attracts a lot of commenters who have nothing to offer but more complaints and self-aggrandizement.

    The internet’s across-the-board response to you, from Twitter’s ban to the drama in the ‘sphere, shows a sad appreciation of satire, among many other things.

  4. “We intend to laugh at our enemies in our spare time, while spending the bulk of our energy building our careers, getting married and/or not getting married, having sex or cultivating a thoughtful celibacy, raising families, building local community, and just practicing the becoming of more well-rounded and better grounded people. “

    I much prefer this approach to the constant complaining. What Dalrock does is useful, but the comments get overwhelming, so I only read them on occasion.

    On Dalrock, you can be sure that if you have a successful marriage and family, you’ll be mocked for not having the right kind of marriage. Compare this to Boxer who respects the right of a man to run his household however he pleases. There is a lot of irony in Dalrock and his commenters advocating a patriarchy that doesn’t let the patriarch be a patriarch.

  5. I don’t understand your animus against Cane or Dalrock.

    It is true that they don’t have catch-all solutions, but it is not at all clear to me that anyone else, including you, does. Speaking frankly, I have learned, and expect to learn, more from them than from you. Though you do write some fun stuff.

    But why make it a competition? Why even write this post in the first place?

    Be well.

  6. I don’t know if I’m one of those ‘right wing faggots’…but the reason why I hate both the gynocracy and fornication is that both perpetuate sinful activities that ruin Western Civ and that’s really the essence of the matter. I think a lot of the talk is the superficial aspects when it’s really more of a spiritual war.

    Really what we got is a rock and hard place scenerio…you either have to sin outside of marriage with those risks (hello false rape charge) or risk marriage to have maritals with the threat of her one day going to the state courts to ruin you and your family. That’s why the third option of chastity (with the help of God’s grace, it’s not easy) is the route I’m taking.

  7. I’ve had a number of married giys give me grief for not pulling the wagon .. the way they’ve had to.

    Only they also wished they could’ve done it my way.

    Men reflect on their past and future differently than th wimminz.

    So what I see when men do this is envy .. my dad has told me a number of times he hates me and envies me all at the same time.

    I broke tht mold of marry (sacrifice your future) right after high school .. get a job (sacrifice your dreams) .. have kids (more sacrifice) .. build a monster house for the family (more sacrifice) .. etc.

    But he feels he is a better man than I am due to his unique (nope .. that’s incorrect dad) sacrifices. He did it the right way.

    Of course that means I did not (re: right way).

    Now that he is in his mid 70’s he has let it go.

    Verdict .. Self-Defense Mechanism 101 .. Ego Stroke / Verification. Now he doean’t need to compete with me. He needs me to pull the wagon for him .. he gets to stroke his own ego now that he has 4 boys to do for him. He’s no longer competing with us to be the top dog.

    As for the two above examples .. it’s just ego scratchin and the hate you could do it different while they dis it the “right’ way (which is a moving target).

    Frankly .. we are better for all the manosphere contributors. Everyone can get what is in their best interest.

  8. I don’t understand your animus against Cane or Dalrock.

    I’m generally against people libeling their betters. I realize that’s part of the Christian tradition, but I’m still against it. For example…

    https://v5k2c2.com/2017/04/10/an-open-letter-to-lyn87/

    Now, when Cane & Co. made up the lie that I was a homosexual child rapist, that was one thing. I’m a troll, and I enjoy taunting scum like Cane Caldo. This guy did nothing to deserve it, other than winning an argument. He was harassed for over a year, before leaving the blog.

    Had you actually read this article, you’d note that Cane Caldo isn’t the sum total of the problem. The problem is almost universal, and not just on Dalrock’s blog. It’s also universal on Heartiste. In fact, nearly every unmoderated forum is a shitshow, because scum like this are free to vomit their mental illness all over all and sundry, which drives the normal, healthy people out.

  9. At the risk of being ridiculed (which I am willing to accept, it is your site after all) I tend to side with Dalrock more often than not, if only because marriage is right and acceptable to the Christian man.

    I’m actually not ridiculing Dalrock (the author). I’m not ridiculing Heartiste (the author) either. I’m just pointing out some general problems with unmoderated shoutboxes.

    In the beginning, I imagined (silly me) that I’d be able to accept nearly every comment, from every commenter, and people would miraculously police themselves. In the past few weeks, I’ve realized that clearly isn’t the case.

    When Dalrock and Heartiste went quiet, about twenty people arrived here, and started posting shitty comments, picking fights with my VIPs, and otherwise behaving like chimps. There were some normal, healthy comments, and those two people passed moderation. The rest of the newbies got binned.

    Among the regs here, we’ve got Derek (serious family man and computer guru), Jason (celibate guerrilla preacher who likes ska music), Deti (I believe he’s an attorney), Earl (not a Catholic priest, but could be one), Styles (probably teaches philosophy), Snapper (interesting guy and tech type) Necro (general malcontent with good sense of humor), Honeycomb (airline pilot) and Renee (cool female antifeminist). There are several others, all of whom are valuable.

    I quite like this crew, and while I’d welcome newcomers, those newcomers ought to be of the same general calibre, and they ought especially to think carefully before trolling any of these VIPs, because the atmosphere here is quality over quantity. I’m inclined to favor those who have been here for a year, over newbies kooking out, in any future axiology experiment.

    Those who didn’t get out of moderation are not banned. If you want to try again, you can do so. Welcome to Heidi and the couple other people who did make the cut.

  10. I don’t know if I’m one of those ‘right wing faggots’…

    We’re both right-wing faggots. Just ask any right-thinking liberal feminist academic who might read our material here. She’ll tell you.

    but the reason why I hate both the gynocracy and fornication is that both perpetuate sinful activities that ruin Western Civ and that’s really the essence of the matter. I think a lot of the talk is the superficial aspects when it’s really more of a spiritual war.

    The people I’m condemning didn’t manage to make a successful post here, because I just decided to make a command decision, and not pass them through the first-time moderation.

    I actually wish I could give you a spot as a writer here (and I could keep you anonymous for your regular column, as I do with a couple others), but I understand and respect your decision to stay in the comment farm.

  11. Ah, gotcha. Yeah it’s a crapshoot when you put up a soap box. You can either stand in front of it and only let by those you approve, in which case your suddenly a “fascist Nazi who doesn’t like opinions that dont match his own” or you stand to the side and let whoever wants step up to the mic and spout whatever nonsense they can get out of their mouths before you gently remove them, making you a “fascist Nazi who doesn’t like opinions that dont match his own”! Six one way, half a dozen another, but there are those who really have nothing better to do all day than engage in internet arguments and when their normal roosting post shuts down for a while they go looking for trouble elsewhere. At least it makes life interesting for a moment.

  12. Six one way, half a dozen another, but there are those who really have nothing better to do all day than engage in internet arguments and when their normal roosting post shuts down for a while they go looking for trouble elsewhere. At least it makes life interesting for a moment.

    If they were actually interesting, it’d be a non-problem. Bear in mind I’ve been in some terrific arguments here, with guys like Derek and Earl. Obviously we don’t all agree on everything; but, a newbie is expected to actually make an argument. Showing up here with your first post as “The virgin mary sucks my dick” is neither witty nor funny. It’s boring, and that’s the cardinal sin of v5k2c2. (little Catholic joke there)

    I guess I’m morphing the comment policy into a sort of probationary period for new people, which is more restrictive, but should still give newbies the chance to criticize my articles, so long as they can keep from driving out the already established commenters.

  13. Just ask any right-thinking liberal feminist academic who might read our material here

    Given today’s climate I could espouse Comrade Stalin’s ethos and probaby still be considered a right wing dope.

    I guess I should inform you that I’m not really the sit down and write an article type. I prefer to add to the conversation when it’s pertinant.

    It’s actually why I started stepping back into the twitter sewage to promote things like the Rosary and God given gender roles. Seems short shivs do more than writing a long discertation shiv.

    For example…one word was all I needed.

  14. Test test test …

    Just seeing if my posts are going to go through?

    Sorry about the virgin Mary.

  15. “Could being with an independent, stable, drama-free women make them feel less needed?”

    Bwhaaaaaaa

    Long version ..
    1) “independent” .. liar
    2) “stable” .. Liar
    3) “drama-free” .. LIAR
    4) “make them feel less needed” .. [If History and The BIBLE have taught men anything .. it’s that MEN are always needed by th womminz.] SUPER LIE.

    Short verison (and excellent shiv) ..
    NO

    Well played Earl.

  16. The biggest LULZ was the ‘drama-free’ part.

    Unless it’s a woman in drag (which is a man)…there is NO woman without some drama.

  17. Earl .. years ago .. like when I was around 9-ish years old .. [40 plus years ago]

    I went to an extended family wedding ..

    Afterwards the Bride and Groom were making their rounds . I was near-bye a group of older family wimminz .. as they walked by one of the older womminz .. probably 80 plus years old .. took the opportunity to ask the bride if she knew what was expected of her asa wife(?) ..

    The Bride looked confused .. tho the Groom must’ve had some idea what she was gonna say ..

    She (older lady) without hesitation told the Bride (young lady) .. “Honey, you keep that full [points at stomach] and you keep those empty [pointing at his balls]” ..

    Young-man Honeycomb took note of said convo for futire reference ..

    Good-times back then .. not quiet the days of Noah .. but also not to long afterwards .. heh

  18. Hey, I’m honored to make the cut, thanks!

    Honeycomb–you know, that’s a pretty good, pretty succinct summary of a wife’s responsibilities; not sure I’d break that out during our church wedding showers, but I suspect the women of our church are typically told something similar by their mothers, anyway. Besides the basic “job description,” a woman taking seriously her husband’s physical needs is more likely to be a pleasant companion and helpmeet than shrew-harpy-bane-of-existence.

  19. Boxer, can you recommend a non-Manosphere example of ressentiment to study? I want to calibrate my BS detector for this.

  20. I ordered the book along with Nietzsche’s Genealogy of Morals for comparison. By the way, I got the book “On Bullshit” you recommended about a year ago. It made no sense. The author tried to pin down the definition of bullshit more than explore the significance or consequences of people bullshitting people. Perhaps the book(let) was too short to give the topic a proper treatment.

    Just saying, I do follow people’s recommendations when I solicit them.

  21. Frankfurt is an interesting character. I should re-read that book, and review it with you. Are you down?

  22. Men’s Sphere blogs reflect the personalities of their owners. Any of the blogs may be read or disregarded at any time. Those that write are doing a valuable public service to those of us that read and comment, and the author’s preferences for rules of discourse will be respected by any man that is grateful for the education and chance to refine his own thoughts. Everyone knows that if you make yourself too much of a pain you will be dismissed, but nearly all the blog owners will allow a little friction, humor, or just goofing off; because they are men.

    I have seen over time that some of these blogs are said to have essentially ‘stalled out’. Nothing new under the sun, no solutions. This always makes me think of my own journey and the many men like me. Decades long blue pill idealists whose ideology faded as the ideal always stayed out of reach, no matter how carefully they followed the protocols. To happen upon, or be directed to a site like Our Boy Boxer’s here for example, is to find an oasis in the desert in a manner of speaking. Now he learns that other men are seeing what he is seeing. Hey! This guy knows what is going on! I’m not the only one! What’s more, he has been paying attention longer than me and has some insights to the painful mysteries of intersexual dynamics that I was never taught. The comment section proves there are even more people aware of this than I imagined. And there are yet more blogs concentrating on different areas. At first it’s a relief and then it’s an opportunity.

    Everyday maybe a few more men, or just one more, wanders in from the desert. He doesn’t know the timeline status of a given blog, he just knows it is discussing exactly what has been causing him grief, and is happy to find water. He can travel around later to different blogs and get useful advice or prescriptions for his personal situation at the micro level.

    Viable solutions at the macro level have yet to appear…

  23. When Dalrock sends his poasters, he’s not sending peeps like you. He’s not sending his best. They’re bringing pickup artistry in, they’re bringing low effort posting. They’re faggots. And some, I assume are shitlords.

    Build that wall Nigga Boxer.

  24. “Frankfurt is an interesting character. I should re-read that book, and review it with you. Are you down?”
    Sure but let me find it first. That tiny little booklet might have gotten swept up in one of my apartment purges.

  25. “Honey, you keep that full [points at stomach] and you keep those empty [pointing at his balls]”

    Now wimminz do the opposite to their husbands.

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