Jeff Flake: Mormon Traitor

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This is not a political post, per se. I do not care that Flake is a Republican, versus a Democrat, or that he is a nominal citizen of America, rather than Canada, Mexico, or Brazil. This is an illustration of Mormon perfidy.

No matter what “nation” we live in, my people do not consider ourselves of your nation. We were ordained, in the pre-existence, to live at your expense. You are soulless cattle, and we are human beings.

Thus we see Jeff Flake, join in the circus of defamation against a much better man than he. He is, after all, just a Christian/Jew/Other, and not one of Elohims chosen people. Defrauding Judge Kavanaugh is not a sin, thereby.

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I remember, years ago, trying to explain to IBB, Dalrock and many others, the underlying reasons why liberal democrat Harry Reid and conservative republican Mitt Romney seemed to vote together on the same issues at strange and consequential times. It was all in vain. I came away from that interaction sure that, if the average Christian is as stupid as Dalrock and IBB appeared to be, then perhaps they really are inheritors of God’s curse, and perhaps they really do deserve to be our servants and our footstools.

The stupidity of the gentiles aside, Flake-O, you’re still a dogfaced scumbag. Many of us Mormons like living in a peaceable America, and we will not forget your treachery. Your children and grandchildren will pay for the crimes you commit this week, though you may not live long enough to see the comeuppance.

Author: Boxer

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25 thoughts on “Jeff Flake: Mormon Traitor”

  1. ‘He is, after all, just a Christian/Jew/Other, and not one of Elohims chosen people. Defrauding Judge Kavanaugh is not a sin, thereby.’

    Funny how the ‘chosen’ never seem to remember the ‘love your neighbor as yourself’ commandment.

    The most accurate statement I’ve heard about Mormonism is that it’s some weird Christian Zionist religion.

  2. We’re not Christians. We’re monotheists. We call ourselves Christians in mixed company, but this is a recent innovation, and none of us consider ourselves such at home. Also don’t put much stock in your bible. “True as far as it is translated correctly…” and all.

    You’re also not our neighbors. You tried to genocide us. We don’t forgive or forget that.

    That aside, Christianity is now dying out, and the U.S. is a nation entirely composed of minorities, with the original Americans an endangered species… so why we should remain so openly hostile is a legitimate question.

    If you want a real hint as to our outlook, the Journal of Discourses is online. Orson Pratt and Brigham Young used to compare us favorably to Jews and Muslims (other monotheists), which is probably accurate. We use the same arguments against protestants, who consider Jesus to be a god, as you’re used to getting from those people, who bash you for venerating Mary.

  3. ‘You tried to genocide us.’

    Who’s this ‘you’ and what genocide are you talking about?

  4. You’re also not our neighbors. You tried to genocide us. We don’t forgive or forget that.

    As a Baptist .. which the Catholic Church / Pope purse-eye-cute-tied in times old .. wrote extensively about killing an entire town of Like Believers (i.e. Catholic people) to kill just one Baptist .. I can sympathize.

    But .. maybe it’s only the monotheists that have such a hard spot with forgiving. To which you are wise to not forget .. as we all are.

  5. MacFlakey Flakster is a ESTABLISHMENT lacky .. he may vote like Dirty Harry Reid .. but I think it’s more the uni-party poly-tiks that align his actions.

    I could be wrong because I don’t follow him or dirt harry regularly .. just when I have cause to do so.

    And .. as for a curse / pox on his family .. I pray that for all the Anti-Heritage-American (AHA) politicians.

  6. ‘Pope purse-eye-cute-tied in times old .. wrote extensively about killing an entire town of Like Believers (i.e. Catholic people) to kill just one Baptist .. I can sympathize.’

    Which pope?

    I ask because I want to make sure this isn’t some old wives tale rather than actual statements from the pope. It’s possible there was a loony pope back then…heck we have one now.

  7. “No matter what “nation” we live in, my people do not consider ourselves of your nation.”

    Besides the communism thing, Anabaptists seem to have a surprisingly amount in common with Mormons.

    “You tried to genocide us.”

    Both the Catholics and (Calvanist and Lutheran) Protestants were involved in the expulsion, imprisonment, and killing of the Anabaptists in the 16th century. Thousands were killed, including for refusing citizenship.

  8. “No matter what “nation” we live in, my people do not consider ourselves of your nation.”

    Mormonism is is a theological identity, not an ethnic identity, yes? I have a pet theory that the reason whites don’t do ethnic identity politics is that we go for ideological identity politics instead.

  9. Boxer, I’m delighted to see new posts on your blog. Though I cannot admire your dalliances, I enjoy your frankly expressed observations. (The story of the “bad date” who left the chick with the bill was hilarious. I can’t believe she posted that on social media; in her place, I would have kept very, very quiet about an occasion that made me look bad.) I hope you’ll comment on the circus now underway at the Senate. Best, Heidi

    Edit: I removed apparent personal info. Please take care not to attach a real surname. Thanks!

  10. I would have kept very, very quiet about an occasion that made me look bad.

    That’s what smart women would do. The attention seekers however never think that far ahead.

  11. I KNEW he would do this. I already knew what he was planning. He’s an asshole, a traitor and a piece of shit. He’s got nothing to lose, so he’s letting his true colors show.

    Not that I’d ever advocate this, but I’m sure a lot of people would love to straighten out that crooked nose of his with a swift right hook. I wonder how that got so off-center…notice that it bends to the left…just sayin…

  12. “The stupidity of the gentiles aside…”

    Okay, I have to stop you right there. As someone who was born into Mormonism (I’m a proud apostate now, as you know) I know that Mormons have a tendency to refer to all non-Mormons as “gentiles”, even Jews; but I just want to make sure you realize how absolutely absurd and kooky that sounds to the rest of the world, after they get past the initial confusion about it. I’m not trying to tear you away from your faith, but please, for the sake of clarity…please don’t use the word “gentile” that way. You are a gentile. I am a gentile. Everyone who is not a Jew is a gentile, and it’s okay – there is nothing wrong with that, in the eyes of God.

  13. No. Most whites don’t do ethnic identity politics because that’s taboo, per the dogmas of critical theory, intersectionality and all the rest. The only way you’re allowed to do identity politics with ethnicity is if you belong to a group that is classified as aggrieved by pop culture and academia – that’s pretty much all of them, except whites. White Jews have been able to do it for a long time, but their ability for that is wearing off. Irish and Italians might have been able to do it, if it hadn’t worn of before critical theory and post modernism took hold – the intellectual anti-renaissance.

    Besides the self-hating white liberals who engage in ethnic identity politics on behalf of ethnicities that they don’t belong to (and no matter how ashamed and self-immolating they are, they will never be forgiven by the aggrieved races), there are of course actual white supremacists, like Klansmen, Skinheads, et al. I draw a distinction by calling them *actual* white supremacists, because they actually are, unlike everyone who is labeled a white supremacist for supporting Trump, not being a self-hating white liberal, etc.

  14. Okay, I have to stop you right there. As someone who was born into Mormonism (I’m a proud apostate now, as you know) I know that Mormons have a tendency to refer to all non-Mormons as “gentiles”, even Jews; but I just want to make sure you realize how absolutely absurd and kooky that sounds to the rest of the world, after they get past the initial confusion about it.

    I’ve never criticized Mormonism, have I folks?

    I’m not trying to tear you away from your faith

    I’m completely secular, with no great affinity for the folk religions, though I have relatives (by blood and marriage) with membership cards in LDS and FLDS and CoC and CoLoG varieties. I like them all.

    but please, for the sake of clarity…please don’t use the word “gentile” that way. You are a gentile. I am a gentile. Everyone who is not a Jew is a gentile, and it’s okay – there is nothing wrong with that, in the eyes of God.

    If you’re a Mormon from Deseret, then the term in context shouldn’t be confusing.

    https://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/20/what-is-a-gentile/

    This article was written by someone who, like you, hasn’t read the Journal of Discourses. The Jewish Mormon Alexander Neibaur was held up (by Brigham Young himself) as an example of a man who had his gentile blood “replaced” through baptism.

    https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1990&context=facpub

  15. “If you’re a Mormon from Deseret, then the term in context shouldn’t be confusing.”

    First of all, there is no “Deseret” – no such place exists. There is the State of Utah, which Brigham Young and other charlatans hoped would become a new nation called Deseret, but fortunately, the federal governmen and the creation of new states around the territory, put a stop to it. While we’re on that subject, when they refer to Utah as “Zion”, that is also incorrect – Zion is actually over in Israel. It’s not Utah.

    To your point, Mormons in Utah might not be confused…but back to my point, everyone else will. This blog has an audience wider than the molly momos in the big beehive, so if you want to be understood, you should use the terminology everyone else understands, as they understand it. If you don’t, I guess you can do whatever.

    “This article was written by someone who, like you, hasn’t read the Journal of Discourses. The Jewish Mormon Alexander Neibaur was held up (by Brigham Young himself) as an example of a man who had his gentile blood “replaced” through baptism.”

    Well, like many things Brigham Young was wrong about, a). the man didn’t have “gentile blood” in the first place, and b). it wasn’t “replaced”. Nothing that Brigham Young said changes any of that. Brigham Young also has no power or authority to change the lexicon, nor did he ever. He may have had the manupulative power to rule over many people like a king, and get lots of pussy (like an early Warren Jeffs who never went to prison) but he certainly was no prophet, and didn’t re-write any rules.

  16. First of all, there is no “Deseret” – no such place exists.

    Yeah. Neither do “Tibet” nor “Palestine” exist. And, yet…

    There is the State of Utah, which Brigham Young and other charlatans hoped would become a new nation called Deseret, but fortunately, the federal governmen and the creation of new states around the territory, put a stop to it. While we’re on that subject, when they refer to Utah as “Zion”, that is also incorrect – Zion is actually over in Israel. It’s not Utah.

    I get it. You’re an “ex-Mormon.” I’ve met a number of you guys. I’ll just cap off this nonsensical tirade of yours by noting that if you’re living your life in rebellion to the Mormons (and you people seem to be), then the Mormons are still in charge of your life and your outlook. What do you win by letting the LDSers make your decisions for you?

    Learn to use your own brain, and boldly stand erect.

    Regards,

    Boxer

  17. Wow, you certainly are touchy for someone who is “completely secular, with no great affinity for the folk religions”, aren’t you?

    I hear Mormons use this tactic with ex-Mormons a lot – telling us that we’re out of it but not over it, or some such fallacy. Just because we may casually call out wrongness when we see it doesn’t mean that the people propagating the wrongness have any power or control over us. This fallacy started with the false premise that we are “in rebellion” against Mormonism – that implies that “on high” is still a ruling authority over us; by the same token, women criticize me all the time, but does that mean I have authority over them? Am I in charge of their lives and outlook, or making any decisions for them? That’s simply a psychological trick that Mormons are using to try to get the apostates to leave them alone.

    I’ll say to you the same thing: learn to use your own brain. Don’t be ruled by the edicts of dead charlatans, who ran the kind of polygamous “baboon colonies” that Roger Delivin describes.

  18. Wow, you certainly are touchy for someone who is “completely secular, with no great affinity for the folk religions”, aren’t you?

    Only in your mind.

    I hear Mormons use this tactic with ex-Mormons a lot – telling us that we’re out of it but not over it, or some such fallacy. Just because we may casually call out wrongness when we see it doesn’t mean that the people propagating the wrongness have any power or control over us.

    They have the control over you that you’re giving them. Stop it already.

    This fallacy started with the false premise that we are “in rebellion” against Mormonism – that implies that “on high” is still a ruling authority over us; by the same token, women criticize me all the time, but does that mean I have authority over them? Am I in charge of their lives and outlook, or making any decisions for them? That’s simply a psychological trick that Mormons are using to try to get the apostates to leave them alone.

    No. It’s good advice.

    When I left the folk religion, I actually left it behind. I don’t sit around, waiting to disobey whatever instructions come from the brethren, thinking I am doing something important thereby.

    I bet you still watch general conference, don’t you, brother?

    I’ll say to you the same thing: learn to use your own brain. Don’t be ruled by the edicts of dead charlatans, who ran the kind of polygamous “baboon colonies” that Roger Delivin describes.

    You’re the one obsessed with the L.D.S. church, to the point where (laughably) you assume a secular Mormon is an agent of the First Presidency, simply because he disagreed with you.

    The ex-Mormons are a thoroughly unhappy, miserable lot. They spend more time talking about Mormonism than the true believers I’m related to. They revel in their so-called “apostasy,” seemingly ignorant of the fact that we live in a secular political society, and apostasy means nothing any longer anyway. It’s more than a little like feminists, who seem to get a charge sticking it to “the patriarchy.” Glad if it makes you feel good, but from my position, your antics look sorta silly.

    Regards,

    Boxer

  19. It’s okay if that looks silly to you…this whole argument started by me simply pointing out how silly it looks to me, and everyone else in the world, when you call people who aren’t Mormon “gentiles”. No, I don’t watch general conference (and no, I’m not your brother) – I just see something completely absurd come from “the beehive” and I made the innocent mistake of thinking I could shake some sense into a true believer, at least on that one point.

    “When I left the folk religion, I actually left it behind.”

    Nope, you didn’t leave it behind at all. Your heart and mind are still in it, even if you tell people that you’re out of it. If you’re going around offering apologetics by citing the Jornal of Discourses, you didn’t leave it behind. It still has its meat hooks in you.

    Look, if you want to argue about truth and the straight dope vs. misunderstanding and misconceptions about the nuts and bolts of any religion, that can be done just fine from either the inside or outside of that religion – that’s just an argument about what the religion says, regarless of the up-or-down, God-approved validity of it. What you are doing in this blog post, however, is making *religious arguments* in defense of the Mormon Church’s validity, from a standpoint of true belief in Joseph Smith. You can deny that all you want, but anybody can read this and see that you truly do believe in it, even though you deny it – it’s textbook cognitive dissonance. Trying to project obsession about the church onto me is just a futile defense, with all due respect.

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