More on Nationalism

Black Pill has a number of serious articles on what might be called lumpenproletariat white nationalism. He correctly identifies the loud and proud stormfront types as dishonest, and further deconstructs their ideology as a covert subset of feminism. Lots of people don’t like the author, but he did a great job in explaining the motivations of the most annoying faction.

Of course, not every white nationalist is a looney skinhead, looking for trouble (and another thirty-day stint in jail). Moreover, not everyone that society labels a White Nationalist actually is one. Steve Bannon isn’t a white nationalist, though The Huffington Shitpost has no problem attaching the label to him. I see no evidence that Charles Murray (the author of The Bell Curve) is a white nationalist, though the AP decided to libel him, for propaganda purposes, also. This sort of slant has distorted the lexical range of the term so tremendously that it is now almost meaningless. I will be a white nationalist, by the definition slung around in the media, simply for disagreeing with some unrelated trivial positions that our masters feel strongly about. I expect the New York Times to run my headline whenever I’m worth noticing.

So, how do we parse the serious white nationalists who differentiate themselves from the stormfront hammerskins? Some white nationalists seem very different compared to the male feminists who also share the label. I don’t pretend to know the answer. The only thing I try to consistently do is to respect people who self-identify. If someone tells me that he’s a white nationalist (or a Buddhist, or a Choctaw Indian) then I trust such a person to know enough about himself to identify himself correctly.

There are worse things than being a white nationalist. I have a personal acquaintance from my school days who got into a ton of trouble as a teenager. My understanding is that he went off to prison, where he was converted to some sort of European paganism. He self-describes as a white nationalist on social media (which is the only place I see him). He’s no longer burglarizing people’s sheds to get beer money, and he credits his faith as the reason. In this regard, it seems that white nationalism sometimes functions in the way the Nation of Islam can clean up African American criminals. If a love of the white race is what motivates you to stay off booze and dope, hold down a job, and be a respectable family man, then I’m all for it, and I’ll goosestep around with you out of respect.

Down below, Scott writes:

I’m not sure if I’m a white nationalist, but I can say that all things being equal I would prefer to live in a nation where my ethnicity is the majority, and where that majority is not required to prostrate itself in constant fear of being labeled “racist” by everyone else.

This is also known as being psychologically and sociologically normal.

If by “normal” we mean “usual” then I have to agree. People tend to like being around their own types, and no one wants to be discriminated against. It sounds, though, like you’re talking about narrow nationalism, rather than white nationalism. I have to note specifically the term “ethnicity” – which is not a synonym for “race”. There are plenty of blond white people in Syria, Afghanistan and Egypt, and I don’t really want a lot of them moving into my ‘hood, despite being racially akin to me. I don’t want them moving into yours, either. I’m sure they’re not all terrible, but they’re nothing like us, and language and religion are important. Different ethnic groups, even of the same race, often encounter problems sharing space.

Aside from the frankfurters, my own views are mediated by guys like Richard Rorty, György Lukács, and Francis Fukuyama. All of these guys predicted the rise of nationalism (as opposed to white nationalism) as a reaction to late-stage capitalism. Steve Bannon, who is by no means a white nationalist, is in fact a civic nationalist, and he’s an understandable synthesis to the currently collapsing political narrative.

The problem with nationalism in contemporary North America is the immense size of countries like the USA and Canada, coupled with the amazing mobility of its people. It used to be the case that we had regional identities, but those have largely been erased, not only through immigration, but through internal migration.

Even North American natives — white or black folks whose history in North America stretches back centuries — tend to move great distances for work, marriage, school and retirement. This leaves people uncoupled from community, and tends to deracinate even those people who sacrifice to stay on the land from which they were born. If your neighbors are constantly moving away and being replaced, then you become a foreigner in your hometown.

The centralization of capital also leads to a cultural homogenization. I remember, even ten years ago, when I’d find curious local shops and restaurants. These have largely been replaced by massive international chains. These megamarts will occasionally commercialize a reified simulacrum of some local culture, that once existed authentically, in their local branches, but the depiction is transparent and only done to maximize profits.

Not only do we not have community any longer, but we can’t really move anywhere to find it anew. The map has been redrawn, with huge, homogenous cities, all bearing the same vacuous pseudoculture, all featuring citizens who originated someplace else.

Thus I don’t have a lot of confidence that Bannon’s narrow, civic nationalism will be successful in saving America. If I had to guess, I’d predict that Texas and Québec would probably survive 200 years from now. Maybe there will be a nation of New England, and a nation of the American South, but the political and social climate in the rest of North America is sorta up for grabs.

Author: Boxer

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11 thoughts on “More on Nationalism”

  1. This is almost precisely what I think.

    You are one of the few I have read who does a good job of explaining why the sheer size of America makes “nationalism” a non-starter logistically.

    I’ve been toying with the idea that maybe, the solution is something we have not seen yet? Some new form of organizing people along lines they are comfortable with? All I really care about is, can it be done peacefully?

    Is the end of the nation state at hand?

    It’s very early in my thinking process.

  2. I kind of agree with on “ethnicity” and I use it on purpose.

    Blogger Elspeth is black, and she is what I consider to be ethnically “American”

    I believe people have been on this continent long enough for this to have developed. She and I are the same ethnicity according to this use.

  3. Dear Scott:

    I think a rebirth of the nation-state is at hand. The USA and Canada were never really nation-states to me. They were always empires, encompassing lots of smaller nations.

    Certain parts of North America seem like good candidates for statehood. Washington-Oregon-British Columbia would make a much more coherent nation than what exists now, with orders coming down from Ottawa and D.C., written by people with whom the citizens have nothing in common.

    Bear in mind that it takes a lot of time, energy and money to extend political power over such huge distances. I don’t think the breakup needs to be violent. It will probably happen gradually, as the topheavy apparati run out of money and energy to enforce their will.


  4. I don’t bother analyzing white nationalism, racism, sexism etc…

    Such terms have been abused ad nasea they no longer have any meaning.

    To waste brain power analyzing them is silly, and is right in line with the same academic dolts who have made racism, sexism et al meaningless childish insults.

  5. Yes I’ve mentioned this before but I am just now stating to really grapple with outside the box solutions to it–

    A heterosexual married father Serb-Irish-American orthodox Christian rancher cowboy army officer psychologist on my farm in Texas has nothing in common with a black lesbian professor of gender studies living with her transsexual life partner in their San Francisco apartment.

    Yet we are both the same “nationality.”

    This is not an attack on her, it’s just reality.

  6. Boxer,

    One thing Vox Day says is that your opinion of yourself on the Socio-Sexual hierarchy is the least important opinion there is. I agree with him on that. However, I think that your assertion that your own opinion of yourself Socio-Politically is generally to be considered the most accurate.

    That said, the opinion of those you consider peers might also be considered at least tangentially important regarding your Political classification. With no more gilding of the lily, what or how do you classify yourself?

    Thanks for the well thought out article.


  7. Scott,

    Your pro father articles are outstanding, here I cannot agree with you without a further understanding of your definition of American.

  8. Boxer,

    Does the break up need to be violent? It does or nothing will be learned or changed. In Military training, in raising children or animals, harsh lessons are always the ones most well remembered.

    Don’t touch the stove. A simple lesson and most parents don’t force their child’s hands onto the burning stove to teach the lesson, but the child’s free will and the following blisters and weeks of pain are better teachers than weeks of indoctrination.

    We are a perverse and disgusting abyss of horror. There is no burning, no pain, no punishment too intense too teach us.

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